Thanks for listening to me Kevin O., I appreciate that!
Now please get moving on moving Korver so we can keep CJ

Jazz attempting to make room in salary cap to keep CJ.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz are trying to deal Harpring and Kirilenko right now to make room. They want to keep CJ more than they'll admit. Watch and see.

Maybe the Jazz do know what they are doing.I was starting to wonder. Good move O Conner, now lets finish the job and do the same with Korver his lack of defense won't work on this team,we already have to many non defenders.Throw him in on a trade for an athletic big man that can defend and block shots. I think they will keep Miles they can't help but know how good he is. I think Sloan just used the wrong strategy in developing him and that they know that. Mo Almond has never seen a guy open yet and thats his down fall But he can shoot the ball and could fill the role that the one dimensional Korver should have had.

Looking to trade Harping (who Sloan loves) and Kirilenko to make room for See-Jay? You must be CJ's agent for making that comment.

CJ is just not worth the money. He had opportunities to show up when Brewer and Kirilenko wnet down with injuries last year. He always gets his feet tangled on defense and his outside shooting is not consistent. There is also no way that the Jazz will give up on Korver this soon. That is a pride issue with O'Connor.

There are only two paths for the Jazz moving Kirilenko. The most likely will be a Camby type of deal where they dump the salary for nothing. That would not happen this year but next. The other path would be that he shows up like a monster in the Olympics and other teams start knocking.

Just let CJ go. He is not worth the money. Just think about Millsap. We will need to pay him next year and he is a proven player.

The only thing that is good about this trade is that we get rid of Hart and save some money but I think Price is still the best option at the 2 guard. What is this about trading Korver? You are nuts. He might not play the best defense but he is by far the best shooter on the team. Something Utah has not had since Horney. The rest of the team does not play defense either. Korver is not the answer to trade. You need to trad AK and Harpring to bring in the Defensive stopper like Emeka Okafor. Then we are talking. I think that is a person in worth trying to get.

Harpring and AK are 2 of my 3 favorite players on the Jazz. Why, AK can fill up the stat sheet, Harpring is tough and a fighter on defense and my 3rd player is of course Devon Williams. As much as I love AK and Harpring DO NOT EXPECT either of them to be traded.

AK is paid $15 million this year and still has 2 more huge contract years for a team to swallow, so don't expect a trade there.

Harpring as much as I love him, when the Jazz signed him to a 4 year 25 million contract I had no idea what they were thinking. They paid 5 or more million too much there to a player so questionable with bad lower leg and feet problems. Also making him almost untradeable is another year left at 6.5 million.

We have probably seen our big Jazz trade this season. Now the Jazz coach Sloan better be able to convince Boozer to play some defense because when teams can they will put some one tall on him, which seem to give the Booz fits.

Jimmy likes the trade. Brevin is a much better facilitator than Hart is and has some of the best assist per minute and assist to turnover averages in the league. Brevin's shooting does have much to be desired.

Jimmy still thinks CJ should be and will be gone. This trade might even make it easier as the Jazz now have a better backup for DWill, which may enable Price to get more time at the 2.

move korver to keep miles that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard miles might still have a spot in utah if he would show up to rmr

See J at the RMR? NOT. He's gone.

I want CJ out... KEEP Harpring and AK because they show tremendous plays on the court, not CJ. We can do find without CJ. I just hope Knight can contribute more to our team than Hart.

You people that keep knocking Korver are ridiculous. Do you remember the funk we were in before he got here and what happened after he arrived? Enough said. He opens up the offense with his threat from the three, other teams if you will notice keep a man on him at all times which opens the middle for Booz and Memo and others to operate inside. He is a deadly foul shooter for the end of games that we need also. So quit ragging about him and his defense which on most match-ups is good. What has C.J. ever showed defensively? He eratic as a shooter(hot and cold) and turns over the ball a lot. Now his dedication to the very team that gave him a chance in the league? Zero. Let him go. Nothing more than a slacker, which we don't need. Get a grip dummies.

Move Korver? Jazz CANNOT move him at least until 12 months have passed since his coming to the Jazz per league rules. Furthermore, that would be ridiculous. I'm VERY curious to see how Korver responds to the coaches actually planning on him being with the team from the beginning of a season. We could see something completely different.

All of you who want CJ to move on to OC Thunder and think the Jazz will be better to let him go are crazy. CJ is still only 21 yrs old. He hasn't even began to show what he can do. Why do you think D Will wants to keep him? He has more potential than any of the 2's or 3's on the team. Korver is a great shooter but is limited in many area's, Brewer is a very good athlete but is limited with his long range shot. Harpring is tough but getting old and can't move very well any more. He probably has 1 or 2 yrs left in him. AK is probably my favorite Jazz player because he can do so many things well but his outside shot is very inconsistant and allows teams to sag off him. CJ was just starting to show signs of what he can do at the end of the year. The Jazz need to keep him, build his confidence and he will be an All Star in the future.
Good trade/ Hart for Knight.

I agree. KEEP KYLE KORVER! Speculators have said that if the Jazz had had Korver from the beginning of last season they would have had the best record in the league.

He's a fantastic shooter, something that the Jazz have never had much of. In order for our picknroll to work well we need a guy taking the pressure of the paint.

CJ Miles has done nothing for the Jazz. He's horribly inconsistent, and makes a lot of turnovers.

This trade indicates that another trade is in the works. Saving $900K isn't that big of a deal to the Jazz. Knight has better trade value than Hart with name recognition and journeyman experience.

Expect another deal. Not Korver. My guess is that they'll match CJ's offer sheet--then sign-and-trade him with Knight to a single player.

I'll be shocked if Knight steps on the ESA court.

All of you ragging on 21 year old CJ need to do a little research before you make fools of yourselves.

CJ shot a higher percentage from the field (48%-44%), a higher percentage from the 3 (39%-37.5%), and had a better assist to turnover ratio (2/1-1.3/1)than Korver.

I like Korver too, but he is no CJ.

Here's the bottom line: If CJ was good enough to play, he would. But he doesn't. It's that simple. You think they'd keep a great player on the bench or in the D-league? CJ will never, NEVER, be a contributor in the NBA. I honestly think if he'd gone to college, played a few years, and then declared for the NBA draft, he would have gone late in the second round, if at all. The Jazz have sunk too much time and money into him, for whatever reason. Cut him loose, let another team prove me right, and watch CJ drop out of the league in a year or two. I used to be CJ fan, but I can't tolerate incompetence and laziness. In five years, only Utah fans will vaguely remember the name CJ Miles. He will be managing a Burger King back in Texas, if he's lucky.

Your logic isn't bad, but you have to remember Korver played a great deal more than CJ. Obviously the more you play the more shots you're going to take and miss. According to espn.com, Korver played in 75 games at 23.1 minutes a game, whereas CJ played 60 games at 11.5 minutes a game. That translates to over 1,700 minutes for Korver vs. 690 for CJ. Korver played more than 2 1/2 times as much as CJ. In addition you didn't even mention the free throw shooting disparity. Think of how many games the Jazz were able to lock up in the final few minutes by inbounding the ball to Korver and relying on his 91.5% free throw shooting. In the clutch I would take Korver over CJ in a heartbeat. Korver is a veteran with a much better work ethic. And rag on his defense all you want, but watch a game and notice that Korver is consistently running, trying to stick with his man. Problem is, he's white. CJ has talent and potential, but without a work ethic he's not that valuable to this team yet.

Good points, but how many 21 year olds have a good work ethic?

Korver has pretty much reached his peak, which is statiscally below college junior aged CJ.

Give him a chance to grow up or OKC will.

If brevin stays he won't do anything just like hart. He will sit on the bench every game and play maybe 2-5 minutes. Whoever thinks we should trade korver dumb

Korver's stat percentages for 2007 are more or less identical to CJs for FG and 3PT except Korver plays a lot more. His defense may improve a little as he adjusts to the team over this next year.

Brewer is a superior SG to CJ and is about the same age. Brewer will get better on both offense and defense. His 3PT could improve and that would help.

CJ has talent and potential or he would not have the offer that he has. However, the minutes that he would play with Utah at 4 mil a year are very expensive.

CJ not playing in the Revue is irrelevant. Utah has already had 3 injuries to Revue players. Utah had a complete understanding of CJs capability before the revue. Utah did not ask Price to play in the revue this year. Asking CJ to play in the revue was a head game to try to sneak him thru the offering period with a low ball offer.

For anyone that does not the definition of what I call the Now generation here it is. These are the age group of people who are just out of school trying to raise a family and wanting to change the past. Everything is NOW-- answers, success, wealth, and lifetime security. C.J. is a perfect example of this generation, wanting everything without paying dues, going through a learning process, and sacrificing to get what you want in life. His mental maturity is zero, his dedication is zero, his expectations are huge, and therefore we will be much, much better off without him regardless of his potential.

Nice trade... keep Korver...Some combination of Harpering, Brewer, Collins, Kirlinko and Boozer for a big man who can play some D is the way to go. Go Kevin O'Connor.

the players involved in this trade. If it saves the Jazz $900,000 in cap space, it was a good trade.

Basketkase, you chose your name well! lol

Why don't the Jazz go after Carl Landry with Houston? He's a free agent and a good one, at 6-9", a excellent defender and rebounder, and young. Sign and trade or whatever go get him he's a hard worker that would fit our system perfect. As far as I am concerned that is where I would put my energy's, and money. Houston is way over the cap and needs people with expiring contracts-ala Collins ect.

to trade Korver or play CJ over Korver don't know what they are talking about. Korver may not be as athletic or skilled offensively, but he can flat out shoot the ball. He's easily in the top 3 shooters on the team, if not best shooter. Honestly, what has CJ done to help the Jazz? I keep hearing how he's only 21 and he has so much potential, but he's been on the team for 3 seasons and hasn't shown us anything. Certainly not 16 million worth. Just because OKC is willing to overpay him doesn't mean Utah should. What do you expect Deron to say about him. He's his buddy and of course he'd like for him to stay, but Utah should not break open the vault for a player who has potential, but definitely has not lived up to it.

I read what Hart said in Tribune about Jazz organization when he hard about this trade. I was very impressed what he said. We bad mouth him too much according to his play but sometimes we lose focus of who he was and how hard he tried. I feel sorry that he got bad rep from all of us.

CJ has just needed to mature and get some mental toughness (still needs alot more). He was showing some signs of that at the end of last year. He will play a long time in the NBA if he wants to. He has far more to offer than Almond or Korver.
Your reasoning about Korver getting more time and shots etc and therefore his numbers are lower is opposite of what it should be. The more time you get the more consistant your numbers should be. Ask anyone who has played the game, it is harder to get in a grove or come in and be consistant if your time is limited. Coming off the bench is hard but to have inconsistant minutes as CJ had is even harder. At least Korver's time was somewhat consistant and he knew what to expect. There are several players who came out of high school and took 4 or 5 yrs to develope. Jermane O'Neal, McGrady, Rashard Lewis, T Outlaw, Stevenson, and others some are All Stars and others are starters. CJ just needs an other yr or two and he will be right there with the McGrady's and Lewis's.

I love this trade! Fart was not happy in Utah. Bottom line. Remember him whining about his Escalade getting hit in the parking lot? The guy did NOT fit in. Not to mention his offensive game is VERY offensive!

I blame HIM for not having home-court in the playoffs, because if had not "struggled" so badly in the first half of the season, we probably would have won 3-4 more games, if Ronnie Price had had the spot from day one...

Instead Sloan was forced to play Fart because they had dealt for him in the off-season and were paying him the larger salary...by the time Sloan realized that the "Price was right", we had already dug ourselves a pretty large hole.

With that said, Knight is a guy who can run the offense when D-Will is resting...and he will need some good rest after playing all summer...and Knight doesn't turn the ball over much. KOC continues to make smart deals and at this point, I have to trust that he knows what the team needs. I still like the idea of trading Boozer and Collins for Okafor and Morrison...

Go Jazz! Welcome Brevin!

Korver will not be, and shouldn't be traded. CJ never did anything to make anybody believe he is worth 4 million a season. Korver does play defense, he hustles all the time, and he can shoot. His free throw shooting down the stretch clinched a lot of close games. Korver is basketballs version of a closer. CJ can't do any of those things like Korver can, that's why the Jazz aren't too worried about him leaving.

I like the trade for Knight and I am interested to see if the Jazz are done wheelin and dealin. It is obvious that the CJ's offer sheet is way too high for an unproven player. He has lots of potential and has shown flashes of brilliance, but he is not taking the extra step to impress the coaches which is all too important in the NBA. I'm sure his agent told him not too, but not many agents are really thinking about a players well-being, but rather how much green they can pull in.

To match CJ offer sheet is a must IMO. Every time we have a hole at 2 or 3 I feel comfortable (and the Jazz to) with Miles covering it because our game don't really suffer any drop off; many people are really underestimating such fact.
To let Korver go now is almost foolish to say the least.
Knight is a more than decent PG and he will be not waived or traded anywhere. It was a good call that helped everyone involved. We're a bit better now, and it's not easy task in the NBA to get better when you already have a very good and competitive proven team. Well done KOC.

The Korver trade was the 2nd biggest trade among playoff teams last year. Only the lakers had a better record getting Gasol. He won games for us at the three point line plus he Won plenty of Games at the Foul line. Korver Haters we didn't bring him in for Defense or Athleticism. He came solely to help us win the 4th Quarter. Which he did we only lost 8 games since we got him. See Jay is a raw young talent that has showed signs but the Jazz got plenty of that price, Brewer, Almond, Korlev, Fes, and Kostus.

Good luck Cee J

As for Knight I agree I just don't see him wanting to play in Utah behind the best point gaurd in the league.

Do not over pay CJ Miles. Yes, he has "potential", but he's already proven that his work ethic is not where it should be. Also, $4M per year, is a lot of money for an un-proven player. He didn't play much in the playoffs for a reason. He's not a reliable option at this age and maturity.

Remember DeShawn Stevenson, another High School draftee that we let go because he didn't have the maturity to play in the Jazz system. He's finally blossomed into a decent player many years later, but I still wouldn't have him back because he seems to have a major attitude problem, and we don't need that on the Jazz.

You can't get down on CJ for not playing well after 3 years in the league, straight out of high school. He needs a few more years to really show what he can do. Only a few players that went to the NBA out of high school have been good after three years in the league, and they are usually drafted in the lottery, not in the second round. If Kirilenko is traded and when Harpring leaves, the Jazz will need somebody to step in. By then, CJ could be a bargain at under $4 mil/year. According to Deron, CJ works very hard and has impressed many on the Olympic team.
Korver actually played better D than most expected and should be given a shot to start, he should not be going anywhere.
Almond is still young and in-experienced. I don't think he can be near as good as CJ, but you have to give him time, too.

Actually Basketkase it's not all about if CJ is good enough he'll get playing time. Remember D-will's first season? Captain Crunch and McCloud Starting over him? Sloan is a stubborn old fart and is commited to playing older players. That has been his track record forever.

Hey Mike who is DEVON WILLIAMS? Is that DEVON BROWNS cousin?

I wonder how Harpring is going to be this year. His range has gotten smaller and smaller every year. He used to be a 3 threat. I don't know if he made on last year? He probably did, but he has now become the free throw line curl shooter. If a team has time to prepare that won't be there. Like in the playoffs. So then he is limited to flopping underneath and missing easy layups. haha. Come on you all know that happens with him. Dude can't elevate like he used t..., wait. Maybe not. There is a double standard with certain players. Booz is lazy on D and plays all he wants. Korver gets here and shoots everytime he touches the ball and doesn't get yanked. Anyone else would be on the bench. hmmm. Opinions? Oh yeah he was new right?

JHart was great for the Clips after Livingston blew out his knee in 06-07. He started the final 20 something games and played very well....that's why the jazz paid him 2.3 last year with the option for 2.5 this year--clearly something they'd redo if they could. So, Hart had NO value here or to 28 other teams...

And amazingly, the Jazz were able to...
1. Cut there annual salary by 750 K
2. Get rid of their worst player (on the court and in the locker room)
3. Obtain a PG that three years ago was a top five assist and steals guy

And some of you fans still aren't happy?....
Seriously?
As mentioned, I guess some people won't be happy until we find a way to get Lebron for Jarron Collins.

Most importantly, this trade signals that CJ Miles is going to be staying in Utah (You really have no idea how important that is). CJ WILL BE AN ALL STAR IN FOUR YEARS. Seriously. Quick, name all the 6-7 super athletic guys who can shoot the 3, create their own shot, and defend. Don't forget, he's only 21.
Great move O'Conner. Amazed you pulled this one off.

Boozer, Korver and Collins for whatever you can get.

Keep CJ and win a championship.

Sincerely,

Templar Basketball

miss uses him. He brings him into the game and then won't take him out.

He plays a whole quarter at a time. Korver gets tired after 7 minutes and can't guard his man. If he is not hitting the tree (at least half of the time) then it is a dissaster!

Put Korver in the game when you need some instant offense for a maximum of 6 minutes at a time. Give Brewer and CJ the extra minutes. Win a championship.

All the Jazz need is a coach. Kevin has set the table and Sloan can't make it work.

Sincerely,

Templar Basketball

Do your home work before you post, so as to not present yourself in such a dim light.

Check the stats (Korver vs. CJ). Then come back and post something worth-while.

Sincerely,

Templar Basketball

The Carl Landry idea is a good one.

"CJ is going to be managing a Burger King back in Texas" You must be an absolute idiot! CJ is beyond smart....the jazz were trying to offer him a 4 million dollar deal and he's going to make 15 million with OKC!!!! Yeah you wouldn't leave your current job at burger king for that kind of money either because your an absolute idiot! Be careful or CJ might by the Burger King you eat at and through you out!

Note to Basketcase: People who make 15 million over 4 years don't manage the place you work at!

CJ fans have to ask one question. Is there anyone out there who the Jazz can get for 4 mil a year who can help the Jazz more than CJ?

How about a decent back up C/PF who can handle tall defenders and play some defense?

How about a defender who can guard SGs and also shoot decent when open.

CJ has talent and he has a great offer because OKC needs him more than the Jazz right now.

After this year the composition of the Jazz could change dramatically. The Jazz know what direction they are going and who they are going to pay and keep. Whether CJ stays or goes depends on their long range plan.

Sign and trade C.J. to L.A. for Kobe.

Move Korver? Jazz CANNOT move him at least until 12 months have passed since his coming to the Jazz per league rules.
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Actually league rules are only three months after the trade. With that said, I wouldn't trade Korver anyways.

So I was at work today grilling some burgers (I work at Burger King, and our food is char-broiled, not fried) and in walks CJ Miles.

So I say, "Hey CJ, what'll you have?"
And he says "How about a strawberry shake?"
So I say "Sorry pal, our shake machine is broken."
And he says "That's too bad. Inconsistency really makes me mad."
So I say "Yeah, we've had this shake machine for three years now and it's never been reliable."
And he says "Maybe you should get rid of it and replace it with something better."
So I say "You're a pretty smart guy for not going to college. I'll ship it off to Oklahoma City tonight, because they think they can fix it."
And he says "Some things just can't be fixed."
So I say "I agree, CJ. Some things are beyond repair."

Then we both sat down and enjoyed a juicy burger. Ahh, delicious satire.

Getting Brevin Knight for Hart is the BEST possible situation, as far as dealing Hart goes. Hart has "ZERO" marketability, except for with the one team he shined on, The Clippers. This was a brilliant move by KOC. Will Knight help us? I don't know, but his presence and TRUE Point Guard skills give him the edge over Hart, even without stepping on the floor. He's a perfect Jazz style PG, which is apparently why KOC has had his eye on him for so long.

As far as the other stuff, I think I am OK with CJ leaving, even though I think he will probably be a starter for someone someday. I know Morris A will be at least as good as CJ ever becomes, and Morris is already a PURE shooter. CJ just has the potential to be. CJ is more athletic and probably a smarter Jazz system player...but when was the last time we had a pure shooting 2 guard that can TAKE GUYS OFF THE DRIBBLE AND CREATE HIS OWN SHOT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS????? Never. Almond is as close as we're ever getting to a Scoring machine at the 2 guard spot. NUff said.

The problem with signing C.J. isn't the money this year, but next year. After signing Dwill to a max deal, Kirlenko already has a huge contract, how are we going to sign Memo, Boozer, and Millsap next year? Memo and Boozer will opt out of their contracts to make more money. I think C.J. will blossom this year or the next...but how do we find the money for everyone?