Reader comments: Political change? Not likely

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DBG | 7:17 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Remember, Bush used that same mantra 8 years ago. Look at where it brought us?

If people are serious about change, voting for a democrat or republican is not going to be the way to do it. Voting a third party will and changing out the party is the only way to do so.

Someone once posted there is really only a one party system with two factions. I'm afraid they are correct.
GeeBee | 7:41 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Change may be in my dreams, but McCain's sameness is all too real.
Ed Whalen | 7:43 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
As damaging as the sniping from one side to the other is, this raw cynicism about the entire process is worse. It represents apathy, a lot of which is generated because most voters knew how they were going to vote six months ago, if not years ago. So, the whole process is almost a fix, I suppose. More viable choices than two would be nice, but in our 'you for us or agin' us' culture, We've become so polarised that there is no middle anymore. And it keeps a lot of people out of the process altogether.
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could you .... | 7:47 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
possibly be more cynical Steven? Pray for gridlock!
CLM | 9:21 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Raw cynicism? I don't think so. Seems more to me a voice coming from the sadder-but-wiser place where many Americans have arrived after decades of watching the political process. "Hope for the best but expect the worst" is the practical course to take in this election--maybe any election.

Regardless all indications to the contrary, hope for real change will remain in my dreams. Our dreams often give us the seedlings of reality and the courage to bring them to fruition.
Re "GeeBee | 7:41 a.m." | 10:17 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
GeeBee,
McCains "Sameness" really bothers you???

But Biden's "Sameness"... no problem???

This one way street works really well for you Democrats doesn't it?
What camp HASN'T promised change | 10:27 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Steve,

How old are you?

What Presidential Campaign HASN'T promised "Change in Washington" and to reach accross to the other party, etc?

I can remember every election since Nixon and I can assure you EVERY CAMPAIGN has included "Change in Washington" as a promise. Obama may be more shrill about it, but he is not new in making this promise, nor will he be any more successfull than past Presidents unless he really IS different than every other Presdential candidate AND he really can put party politics asside.

From his short record I see NO EVIDENCE in Obama's record to indicate that he is ready to put "party first" politics asside. I see NO record of proposing, much less passing, legislation that has helped move America forward. He says his goal is to "Take America back"... But can he take America forward? I hear lots of speaches and promises but little proof that he can.

McCain at least has a record of cutting spending (both in his state and at a national level). He attacks both sides (Democrat or Republican) when they try to pass bills that waste tax $. McCain works WITH Democrats (I can give examples-but-my-200-words-are-up).
GeeBee | 10:31 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
@ 10:17 AM...
Biden's sameness is that he's never been a warmonger, still rides the train to work, and has an education beyond 5th from the bottom at the academy his daddy put him into, or a BA in communication. I'm fine with that sameness.
Steve | 10:33 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
I'm over 60 years old, so I think I've been around the block a couple of times. McCain is so much of an insider that there's no room to say otherwise. What is his experience in the real world? He's never known anything but government pay checks.
@ GeeBee | 11:49 a.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Oh please. Stop with the "man of the people" mantra you're trying place on Biden the Plagiarizer. The truth is: He can commute on the train between Delaware and D.C. because it's convenient for him. That's all.
GeeeBee | 12:02 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
@ 11:49 AM...
How does McSame commute between all of his houses?
Re "GeeBee | 10:31 a.m. & 12:02" | 12:39 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
Biden's "Sameness" still means you are getting a 30-year Washington insider who will push for "More of the same" over the next 4 years. Who do you think will get their way, Joe Biden (with all his cronies and palls in the good-old-boy Washington network who owe him for 30 years of favors, or Obama, who promises he has no alegences in Washington DC?

Why do you honor Biden for riding the train home each night? Do you REALLY think McCain doesn't go home each night? Do you think he just sleeps in his office? Just because McCain moved his family to Washington (like most Senators living in the West) doesn't mean Biden is a saint for riding the train to Road Island each day.

McCain probably has a shorter commute than Biden, you should be praising him for taking steps to use less energy and showing by example that he is trying to minimise his carbon footprint instead of commuting to and from his home state every day (which in my book ammounts to a daily publicity stunt evedenced by how often those in the media mention Biden's daily commute using the same train as the common folks).
@ GeeBee | 12:47 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
I'm referring to your fawning all over the Plagiarizer, not that other guy, who I don't care much for, either. Stick to the point.
GeeBee | 1:02 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
I think McCain has far more choices of where to lay his tired head at night than the average Joe (pun intended). I love how plagiarism from 20 years ago is a huge sin, but McSame is a "changed man" since his adulterous escapades behind the back of a crippled wife who waited 5 years faithfully for him. I'm not fawning over him, but the choice to me is pretty clear.
Too "GeeBee" | 2:36 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
I hope you and other Obama supporters understand that Bush isn't the only thing in Washington that needs to change if we are to get back on track (hint: and just changing WHICH party is in control won't do it, they are both the same).

If you really want change in Washington, you need to change more than just one man. The whole bunch and the attitude of entitlement they've fostered needs to be changed. Each of the representatives (to a man, both parties) needs to be replaced with someone who vows to change the "Politics as usual" attitude.

Just replacing Bush with Obama won't make a big difference. Every previous candidate asking for our vote has vowed to change Washington. One man can't do it!

Changing the party in control doesn't do it. They are both too much the same.

To change Washington WE THE PEOPLE need to be committed to removing those committed to playing politics as usual until the change of paradigm takes root and is strong enough to overpower the weeds currently infesting Washington DC. Then we need to remain vigilant to keep the weeds from returning and taking over like they have now.
Mark B | 4:18 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
The biggest issue of EVERY presidential election is war and peace. War's great if you make armaments or do brain surgery, but not to everyone else. Saying it makes no difference who's president on this issue ALONE is crazy. No difference between Nixon and Humphrey? Bush and Gore? Even Carter and Ford? If you think that, you should seek treatment for cynicism.
This time it's Obama and McCain. A guy who saw that Iraq was a rat hole vs. a guy (and his rookie running mate) who think war is the normal state of things. To me, that's a HUGE choice. I don't want the next generation marching off to war because someone in his 70's felt it was "honorable", or to make her domestic agenda more passable. We've played that game. It didn't work.
GeeBee | 5:02 p.m. Sept. 4, 2008
@ 2:36 PM...I'll buy your pitch, but even the illusion of some change is better than McSame.
Too "GeeBee | 10:31 a.m." | 9:42 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I hope some day you can realise and accept that the "Change" in Washington that is needed (and what I think both Obama and McCain are trying to accomplish) is NOT just a transition from a President with an "R-" by their name to a President with a "D-" by their name.

You are so obviously caught up in your anti-R rhetoric and your D-'s can do no wrong rhetoric that I fear you have lost all touch with this reality.

WASHINGTON--- Needs to change. Not just the party in control. Ironically, the main change that is needed in WASHINGTON is less of this partisan rhetoric you hold so dear to your heart. One party Crushing the other in November DOESN'T fix that problem (in fact it probably makes it worse). The only solution is for these 2 parties to learn to work together. The rhetoric you spew on this page every day does NOTHING to help bring this about.

Just my observations.

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