Reader comments: Massacre book garners praise and criticism
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canada | 4:56 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
I am truly looking forward to reading this book, which has been long overdue, but everything has a time.Thank you to the authors for taking on such a monumental task.
bright future | 6:10 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
"The book only deals with the massacre itself, and not its aftermath — material for a future, second book." There's nothing like job security. . .
Anonymous | 6:21 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
I have read the book and the authors did a fine job laying out the evidence for what happened and why. That said, they did a very poor job discussing Brigham Young's role in the coverup. I'd like to see them tackle that important subject in a subsequent publication.
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Denise | 8:15 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
No praise coming from me. I am tired of all the lies!
Excellent work... | 8:30 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
Bother Turley and company. The controversy will go on because it is connected with the theme of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the gathering of Israel in these latter times. Modern Israel has had to cope with the same kinds of problems as did ancient Israel, controversial kinds of things not always pleasing to the world or the Lord. Yet, it is His work we are engaged in in an imperfiect and savage world. The forces of opposition are always present.
The rest of the story | 10:05 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
When do the historic detail books on the other massacres come out?
They could start with Haun's Mill Massacre.
They could start with Haun's Mill Massacre.
Canada | 10:49 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
Long overdue but thank you authors for letting us know what went on and the history behind this dark "secret" we didn't fully understand.
Ginger | 10:54 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
WOW!!!! where are all the comments on this story? This MMM stuff, usually hits the ceiling with LDS folks-very odd?
Canada | 10:55 a.m. Sept. 6, 2008
Long overdue, but glad it's out.Thank you to the authors and all the research team who help us better understand this "dark secret" we didn't understand fully.
Timothy J. | 1:05 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
I just don't understand why the church can't come clean with Brigham Young's involvement in the massacre. It makes me lose respect for the church. And everyone knows that B.Y. had hand in it. It would be much better if he was know for who he truly was than trying to cover and make him look like some kind of god.
Fred Temby | 1:08 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
Topic addressed, completed, and put behind us.
Now, can we drop it and go on with things that matter in the present situation?
Now, can we drop it and go on with things that matter in the present situation?
Caley | 1:46 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
We will never hear the truth. Too many people like to paint the church in a perfect picture, and Leaders without fault. Very very sad.
RE Caley | 5:18 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
Right Caley, we will never hear the truth.
Why was this particular wagon train hated so much?
Who were they really?
What were they up to?
Why were the people instructed not to help them?
Yes, there is a lot truth we are not being told.
All we hear are the hardships the moroms suffersd in the midwest,
that forced them to move OUT of the bounds of the US and live in a barren land what is now utah.
And even after that the US still sent an army out after them.
The frontier law.
The inability to communicate long distances,
NO evidnece or proof that Brigham YOung ever commanded any one to kill anyone in this wagaon train.
And ad nauseam say there leaders were and are imperfect men, althought if their church was instituted under the direction and gudance of God there must some perfection in it.
But really, when will the truth about the wagon train be told?
Why was this particular wagon train hated so much?
Who were they really?
What were they up to?
Why were the people instructed not to help them?
Yes, there is a lot truth we are not being told.
All we hear are the hardships the moroms suffersd in the midwest,
that forced them to move OUT of the bounds of the US and live in a barren land what is now utah.
And even after that the US still sent an army out after them.
The frontier law.
The inability to communicate long distances,
NO evidnece or proof that Brigham YOung ever commanded any one to kill anyone in this wagaon train.
And ad nauseam say there leaders were and are imperfect men, althought if their church was instituted under the direction and gudance of God there must some perfection in it.
But really, when will the truth about the wagon train be told?
J.D. | 6:53 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
If the event reminds us that "Mormons are human" as Dr. Barlow was quoted, it must be the worst type of human. They committed cold-blooded murder. Perhaps Dr. Barlow should have said that it reminds us that there are criminals in every religion and that the savagery of the Mountain Meadows murders eludes modern day comprehension.
I am not a Mormon, but this event has no bearing on my opinion of the religion or its' theology. It is what it is. It happened a long time ago in an era of many savage deeds in the west. It's time to be done with it. If my church were still trying to explain the deeds of its' early Popes, we'd never stop apologizing. My advice to Mormons is to get down to examining your religion for its theology and stop apologizing for its' past.
I am not a Mormon, but this event has no bearing on my opinion of the religion or its' theology. It is what it is. It happened a long time ago in an era of many savage deeds in the west. It's time to be done with it. If my church were still trying to explain the deeds of its' early Popes, we'd never stop apologizing. My advice to Mormons is to get down to examining your religion for its theology and stop apologizing for its' past.
Russell McGregor | 1:36 p.m. Sept. 8, 2008
For Timothy:
what "everyone knows" is nothing more than gossip. Solid historical research shows that Brigham Young not only had no "hand in" the massacre, but he simply could not have: he was over 300 miles away, busily conducting a largely bloodless--and successful--defense against Johnston's army. He had no email or fax to give orders to the Cedar City leadership--orders completely out of sync with what he himself was then doing; there wasn't even a decent road between Salt Lake City and southern Utah. Brigham is exonerated, and it's about time.
what "everyone knows" is nothing more than gossip. Solid historical research shows that Brigham Young not only had no "hand in" the massacre, but he simply could not have: he was over 300 miles away, busily conducting a largely bloodless--and successful--defense against Johnston's army. He had no email or fax to give orders to the Cedar City leadership--orders completely out of sync with what he himself was then doing; there wasn't even a decent road between Salt Lake City and southern Utah. Brigham is exonerated, and it's about time.
Latterday Skeptic | 5:17 p.m. Sept. 9, 2008
J.D. wrote: "My advice to Mormons is to...stop apologizing for [your] past."
The problem, J.D. is not that Mormons keep apologizing for their past...the problem is that Mormons aren't apologizing at all. And until they do, and change what is wrong, they will never be able to truly go forward.
As a church we've had over 100 years to put this (and many other things)all out on the table, and now we should be praised for doing so? We've been too focused on the wrongdoings that have been done to us that we've lost (if we ever had it)the ability for introspection. We cling tenaciously to the rocks of doctrines that may do more harm than good, prefering the known above the courage to find better doctrinal handholds. We stubbornly refuse to admit the contribution we have made in the suffering of others on so many things, and the words "We're sorry" hardly ever pass the lips. It's sad. I don't understand it. In a church that stresses individual repentance, why do the church leaders continually refuse to appropriately model it by acknowledging and apologizing for past institutional wrongdoings? Why should it take 100 years?
Latterday Skeptic
The problem, J.D. is not that Mormons keep apologizing for their past...the problem is that Mormons aren't apologizing at all. And until they do, and change what is wrong, they will never be able to truly go forward.
As a church we've had over 100 years to put this (and many other things)all out on the table, and now we should be praised for doing so? We've been too focused on the wrongdoings that have been done to us that we've lost (if we ever had it)the ability for introspection. We cling tenaciously to the rocks of doctrines that may do more harm than good, prefering the known above the courage to find better doctrinal handholds. We stubbornly refuse to admit the contribution we have made in the suffering of others on so many things, and the words "We're sorry" hardly ever pass the lips. It's sad. I don't understand it. In a church that stresses individual repentance, why do the church leaders continually refuse to appropriately model it by acknowledging and apologizing for past institutional wrongdoings? Why should it take 100 years?
Latterday Skeptic
Kent | 8:45 p.m. Sept. 9, 2008
Did anyone read Will Bagley's book on this subject? It's been out for years and addresses the massacre in it's entirety. A previous comment praised "the church" for finally addressing this and that now the church can address other, interesting, topics. Well, the facts are out, "the church" is a fraud and the only reason it matters is the "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up!" attitude that prevails in only ONE area of the world...Utah; and you don't even have to be mormon to have this attitude. I pray for the downfall of this evil empire as it has impacted negatively and ruined far more lives than it has helped.
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