McCain has sure honed his image over the last two debates...crotchety old man with hair-trigger rage with no other choice but to sling slime and fear, rather than focus on real issues. That may have worked the last 8 years, but America sees through it now. Obama might as wells start looking at carpet swatches, because he's moving into the White House...

If I am not mistaken, in England they allow campaigning only 12 weeks before an election.

It would be so nice if we would do the same, 6 weeks primary, 6 weeks general.

Our campaigns go on way too long, it is tiresome.

Don't they have to take the carpet with the presidential emblem in it? I suppose that stuff doesn't come from carpet barn, does it? Maybe they get it at a 'presidents day price crasher'. Seriously, though, Geebee, you are correct.

Democrat lobbyists might be political pariahs on the presidential campaign trail, but that hasn’t stopped them from trying to help elect Sen. Barack Obama as president. Obama has pledged to forgo lobbyists’ political contributions and minimized their role within his campaign. Yet, for the past two years, many lobbyists have found creative ways to stay involved, volunteering on policy committees or having spouses contribute to the campaign. More recently, Washington-area lobbyists and lawyers have looked across the Potomac to the battleground state of Virginia to put their dollars and volunteer hours to use. While lobbyists are also prevented from contributing to the Democratic National Committee, they can donate to Democratic state parties. Last month’s Democratic fundraiser, however, is part of a larger effort among area lobbyists and lawyers, many of whom live in Virginia, to become active in the campaign. An informal group of them has been holding periodic brown-bag lunch meetings to get a read on the state of the election from the Obama campaign and to allow for volunteer sign-up. This is why we can't trust Obamacon's lies.

If Obama is so honest, than why did this go on?. Hope it's brought out in this debate. Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida's Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, "making people up or registering people that were still in prison." Then there's Lake County, Indiana, which has already found more than 2,100 bogus applications among the 5,000 Acorn dumped right before the deadline. "All the signatures looked exactly the same," said Ruthann Hoagland, of the county election board. Bridgeport, Connecticut estimates about 20% of Acorn's registrations were faulty. As of July, the city of Houston had rejected or put on hold about 40% of the 27,000 registration cards submitted by Acorn.

There's no debate about it. John Danforth, a former senator from Missouri and a former United Nations ambassador, said he is deeply concerned "that this election night and the days that follow will be a rerun of 2000, and even worse than 2000." It could be worse than the hanging chad controversy and recounts in Florida, and lead to political accusations and court fights that could delay the country from knowing the election's true outcome. The controversy goes to revelations in recent days that canvassers for ACORN, a community organizing group, have turned in large numbers of fraudulent voter registration forms, including some where a potential voter has registered multiple times. Others include the names of cartoon characters and the Dallas Cowboys football team. The Republican Party and supporters of McCain say that Obama has several ties to ACORN, whose acronym stands for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. Obama should ask ACORN to stop employing people with criminal records. Will this come forth in this debate?. McCain and Sarah will win "hands down 2008".

This debate means nothing to some, because while in school, they are tought nothing, but what they want to pick from on a list of garbage, to get out from real learning, and a education, to a "pre-programed O-bot" lead by some puppet master in the shadows, because they can't think on their own. THE O'BOT YOUTH EFFECT here is simple in these debate's / debait's, while Obamacon Bidencon and McCain/Palin have catapulted the issue of experience to the forefront of the 2008 presidential campaign, voters between 18 and 34 rank experience low among the qualities they want in the next president, according to a new study by MTV Networks. We all know what's between their ears, nothing. This is another reason McCain will win this debate. And be our next President. That's why I will vote for him. Not Obama.

I am not going to vote for some wannabe rock star icon, I want a MAN in Office, that knows something. You can look at the record of what he's done or you can just go with your gut, but either way you're left with the same conclusion: Senator Obama is going to raise your taxes. And in this economy, raising taxes is the surest way to turn a recession into a depression. Senator Obama also promises to restrict international trade and risk access to foreign markets for American goods and services. The last President to raise taxes and restrict trade in a bad economy was Herbert Hoover. That didn't turn out too well. They say those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Well, I know my history lessons, and I sure won't make the mistakes Senator Obama will. And were my opponent elected with a Democrat Congress in power, not only would there be no check on my opponent's reckless economic policies, there would be considerable pressure on him to tax and spend even more. McCain and Sarah 2008. That's our TEAM, no debate about it.

Bam Obama from all TV slots. Even this debate. Measuring public opinion should include measuring how many people don't have strongly held views, as well as those who do. The failure of most polls to differentiate between the lightly and strongly held views of the public is one reason we can't trust the polls to reflect the will of the people. My view is that providing information to respondents in a sample results in a distortion of what the public at large is really thinking. Different pollsters give different information, and then present the results, which often conflict with each other, as though they represent the American people. My concern is on the substantive opinions reported by media polls and why we can't trust them. Until pollsters address the consequences of their manipulation of respondents into giving meaningless answers to poll questions, public-opinion polls will continue to confuse more than enlighten. Those are hardly useful "insights." Instead, they make a mockery of polling and of the claim that polls can measure the will of the public. The lies we hear from Obama, and think they are the truth, when they are NOT. McCain 2008.

"It would be so nice if we would do the same, 6 weeks primary, 6 weeks general. Our campaigns go on way too long, it is tiresome."

Exactly! Think of the millions of dollars that could be put to better use. It doesn't mean we have a stronger democracy just because we spend more time on the campaign process.

Acorns are yummy.

Real men don't leave disabled wives for a rich wife.

Obama and McCain will raise taxes. On who is the question.

So since poll results don't tell you what you want to hear, we shouldn't trust them? And Obama should be banned from TV because you don't like him?

You're of sturdy Republican stock, aren't you?

(And if ACORN is so evil, than why did John McCain tell volunteers that they were "the best of America" at a 2006 rally? Look it up.)

Interestingly they say the same thing. big government limited civil rights...socialistic ideals...they are both bad cups of tea! Why is it that we have a wide number of Parties such as: Libertarian, Constitution, Green, Independant and more yet we are only see the two dimple dots in these bias, scripted, fake debates? We are being lulled into a socialist state folks it is time to WAKE UP!

If someone has to watch a debate to determine their candidate, then they don't deserve to vote. Debates don't define the candidates anymore like they did in Lincoln's day, instead you get stale talking points from those who are running for president.

Also, if I have to hear another body language expert talk about what went on--I am going to puke. What is wrong with politics in America...the media trying to frame and template the debate and everything else before the election happens.

Obamacon is "Clueless on Economics". Hope it's brought out in this debate. This summer, when oil prices were at all-time highs at more than $140 a barrel, Sen. Barack Obama bitterly complained about big oil, oil speculators, and windfall profits and demanded new taxes on energy. Now oil prices have fallen below $80 a barrel. Experts expect that prices will continue to fall to below $60 a barrel within the next week or two. If it was greed that caused high prices, is it altruism and generosity that have caused prices to drop? Of course not. Obama got it all wrong. It wasn't greed. It wasn't big oil. It wasn't speculators. There was no need for more energy taxes or a new "windfall profits tax" which would only be paid by consumers at the pump and further shackle the economy. Market forces, supply and demand drove oil prices up this summer. The supply of oil was tight compared to the relatively high demand. That stands as one of the most stunningly stupid presidential policy pronouncements in modern history. McCain and Sarah 2008 all the way.

Say It To Obama's Face, John: Make Obama Squirm Over Ayers. After suffering through watching John McCain permitting Barack Obama to outfox him in the first two presidential debates, the temptation is to suggest that the smartest thing McCain could do for tonight’s final debate is to call in sick and send Sarah. But since he will be the one going toe to toe with Obama tonight, McCain might want to consider getting serious about trying to win the debate and the election. The best thing he could do for himself and for his fellow Republican Senate and House candidates who are sinking with him and, most important, for his country would be to take Obama up on his boastful dismissive challenge to say it to my face. Obama made that put down in response to a softball question from ABC news anchor, Charles Gibson. He labeled references by John McCain and Sarah Palin to Obama’s association with unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers cheap” and over the top and demanded, “Why doesn’t he say it to my face?. Look Obama in the eye and ask him. See what he does than, other than TURN RED & studder more.

What is better?
Tax and Spend
or
Not Tax but still Spend

Live within you means. Don't spend in the red. We should have a balanced budget.

Obama can't hurt an economy that has already been ruined by 8 years of Bushonomics. I hope you like the third world country that Bush has given to your children.

Anyone who TRUSTS O'Bama has blinders on...This guys scares me....the bigger the lie, the easier for some to believe. All his actions and associations are plain to see yet the gullability of the media and left is UnderWhelming....

In this BHO coverup debate tonight, as always, it’s the cover-up that sinks people. Liberals are working overtime to cover up their role in the mortgage meltdown. Not only did they block attempts to reform Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before they could drag down our economy, but liberals also abused the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), turning it into a vehicle for directing loans to unqualified homebuyers. The left knows that whoever shapes public understanding of what caused today’s economic crisis can shape America’s politics -- and its future -- for a great many years to come. Thus, they’re pushing the notion that too little government regulation was at fault. If the country buys this idea, liberals can enact a carbon-copy of FDR’s response to the Great Depression, building a larger, more activist and ever-more-controlling federal government. They can exploit the mess by establishing a conventional wisdom that more government is the solution, rather than understanding how big government is a root cause of the current financial meltdown.

McCain & Sarah 2008 ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE NOW!.

Both parties are lying to you!

Why are neither party talking about the decline in the dollar, that entitlements are going to kill this country in less than 15 years, and that we are broke?

You Obama massiah people think he is going to change any of that? Do you think McCain will? You are asleep at the wheel.

Our great empire is ending just like the Romans, the Greeks, the German and the English. We are imploding.

A B.O./Polosie/Reed Government will only quicken the downfall.

China and Russia will be the new superpowers in ten years.

Our two party system has failed us, we all know it. But we don't have the will to fight it. When our leaders recieve a 12% (Congress) & 22% (President)approval ratings and they still get to keep their jobs, we must be the stupidest people on the planet. Now we are voting in Obama, so taht same congress can have another crack at it. We are lost and stupid, lazy and beguiled.

There should be riots in the streets. A revolution.

Don't tell that is what Obama has, most of Obama supporters are just Bush haters, blinded by a smooth talking politician.

If you want more of the same idiot mistakes then absolutely vote for McCain. If you liked how Katrina was handled, vote for McCain. If you like the war in Iraq, vote for McCain. If you like US sponsored torture, vote for McCain. If you like having you phone wiretapped in violation of your constitutional rights, vote for McCain. If you like the most negative campain ever vote for McCain. If you want tax breaks for big business which turn around and use their savings to outsource American jobs, vote for McCain. If you are better off today than eight years ago, vote for McCain.

I'm sooo tired of this presidential campaign.

Isn't it over yet???

My choice is, and has always been, easy.

Republican - no matter who the candidate is.

However, this is the first time I've been scared of the democratic alternative.

If he gets in, and we have demo congress, heaven help us.

The Acorn debacle actually has nothing to do with Obama or McCain, both of whom have supported Acorn. The whole issue revolves around paying individuals to get voter registrations. A number of entrepreneurial Acorn reps choose the easy /fraudulent way to get their $$$s and submitted forged documents.

Neither McCain nor Obama were behind this. While this is certainly disconcerting it should not reflect on either candidate.

do you really think false registrations lead to actual votes?

Is it strange that the GOP is already insinuating voter fraud and they have not even lost yet?

BOTH ARE SOCIALISTS! EITHER WILL DO THE SAME IN THE WHITE HOUSE, FURTHER CURRODE THE FOUNDATION WHICH AMERICA WAS BUILT. TIME TO SET ASIDE OUR DIFFERENCES AND STAND UP AGAINST THIS TYRRANY!

From the article: "Obama was 8 years old when the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for a series of bombings."

So, how old was Obama when Ayers said "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough"?

Nobody's suggesting Obama was involved in the bombings. (Good move to re-frame the question. He's a consummate politician, I'll give him that.) That wasn't the question, though-- just what is your association with the man, Senator?

One in the same! Both are against the US people..Does anyone realize they are for sale to the highest bidder? It matters not who gets elected they both belong to the Comittee on Foreign Relations. Obama is related to Dick Cheaney...People WAKE UP! The Nation is going under to corporatism..a form of socialism. If we do not wake up we will wake up tomorrow in a comunistic world!

McCain v Obama-

Interesting how the media puts these two..who are saying the same exact thing...Big Government and No Civil rights in the forefront. why isnt there a debate with ALL the parties? We have Libertarian, Constitution, Green and other parties who have much better suited candidates than these dim whits. We are fast becoming a socialist nation. The fake debate, preapproved scripts by both parties will be unimpressive, nausiating and enraging..they will bicker and pull at each others hair then we will be left to wonder what the country has come to. Its time to look at the other candidates and vote for a real person, not a corperate puppet!

America is being led down the primrose path by an over-educated, silver-tongued, promise-them anything-and-everything, vote stealing, slick, deceitful lawyer. It's true McCain doesn't hold a candle to the "messiah" (so-named by none other than Louis Farrakhan)in the skills of deception and his undisputed ability to deceive those who clammor for "change." Folks, please remember the pronouncement by Honest Abe that you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. B.O's day of reckoning is coming when his "spread the wealth" around socialist agenda for America catches up with him. Also, you folks who think that B.O. is the salvation of America's system of corrupt government, you are destined to learn by sad experience that Democracy is the worst form of government except all those others that have been tried (Winston Churchill), and that experience is a great teacher but only fools learn in no other way (Anon). America survived the disastrous administration of the peanut farmer Jimmy Carter and because of its firm constitutional foundation would survive an administration of "that one". McCain/Palin in '08.

"My choice is, and has always been, easy. Republican - no matter who the candidate is."

Now there's a typical Utah voter. How about actually learning and thinking for a change? Brand loyalty is not always a wise thing when the brand has gone bad.

I can see why "Tired" 9:59 is bored with the campaign, since no issue (other than where's the "R" candidate) matters to him/her. But how can you be tired and scared at the same time? Betcha he/she will be awake on Inauguration Day.

Keep up this non-issue all the way to the election and Obama will win in a landslide. You can keep slinging all the mud you, but it's not sticking because only Obama has presented an alternative to Bush. The vast majority of Americans are sick and tired of Bush, so anything that is not Bush-like is what will win. Nothing else matters.

Minnie Mouse: The economy didn't start going down the tubes until the Democrats took control of Congress. You blame every problem on Bush. I would bet he wishes he had had the power to do all the people blame him for doing. Grow up and quit blaming Bush for everything bad that has happened.

There are some questions I would like to see answered: Obama was the son of a single parent and apparently raised by Grandparents. Who paid for his private schooling? Who paid for his college education? Who paid for his law school costs?

His policy says he will raise taxes on people making over $250,000. All you people that own your own business, have pass through corporations, or LLC's better get ready for big tax increases, because that will include you. You may not net $250,000, but your business makes it, so you will be taxed on it. He will raise capital gains. You buy a foreclosed house at a low price now, and flip it - watch out on how much tax it will cost you.

this debate, again, for the third time. Then, in just a few blessed weeks, he will win the election. The raging insecurity of all the McLame lovers makes it even more apparent how afraid they are of their impending loss.

Beware... | 9:27 a.m. Oct. 15, 2008
Anyone who TRUSTS O'Bama has blinders on...This guys scares me....the bigger the lie, the easier for some to believe. All his actions and associations are plain to see yet the gullability of the media and left is UnderWhelming

Amen Brother, America is going to be real sorry if the decieved vote him into office,

Too bad Bush did such a great job in all but destroying our constitution and srewing things up so bad that all the party could bring forward is McCain. He is the dredges of the party and couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag; much less, win an election. And let's not forget the democrats. They had control of both houses and went along with everything Bush wanted. They could have clipped his wings long ago - but the cowards they are, THEY DIDN"T DO A THING!

And now things are so bad, we're even willing to elect as president, a man with nothing but a history of association with evil, who very possibly isn't even an American citizen, and a wife that has vocalized her hate for America. Good job people! If Obama gets elected (and he will), this nation is doomed!

Right now it is estimated that Obama will win 344 electorates to McCain's 164.

I hope that John McCain shines tonight.

I will vote for him, but many are still undecided. Both candidates are good at their debating, but
John Mc need to shine tonight to get ahead in the immage of many.

Go McCAIN!!!

Brother Chuck Schroeder - How nice of you to post again, this time under various nom de plumes. Despite the generous use of blogspace your "rant and rolls" are pretty much unimaginative and redundant. Come out of the basement, (sorry , I forgot that there are no basements in Florida)and get your big boy pants on.
No Geezer, No gidget.
Obama '08.

I can't wait for November 5, to come into work and see all the Utah folks pouting, decrying the end of the world when Obama wins this thing...it will be a beautiful thing!

At that point hockey mom's 15 minutes of fame will be up and we'll never hear from her again. She can go back to governing Alaska and having a nanny raise her child while she takes credit for being super mom.

Out-of-touch McCain can go pout in one of his dozen or so houses and wonder why middle class America couldn't connect with him and republicans everywhere can ponder the mistake of running these two deatbeats instead of other choices that might have had a chance.

I'm curious how many times we will hear from McCain: the word liberal.
I'm also curious how often McCain will say: "Obama wants to raise your taxes!"

Stay tuned.

As Republicans warn of catastrophe at the polls, experts on election fraud explain the real partisan hoax -- the suppression of Democratic votes.

Remember what they did in Florida?

These nasty people will do "whatever it takes" (one of their mottos) to win the election. "Right is right" people have a way of doing that.

RE: Tired| 9:59 a.m. Oct. 15, 2008

Heaven help us? Heaven help us?

The election of Bush was cast in the light of good vs. evil and according to you Republican’s good won. How could anyone have screwed up our nation as much as Bush did in only eight short years? Where was your heaven then? Where was the protection from your heaven from what you Republican’s call “God’s President?” Or is this what your heaven had in mind?

Frankly, the last thing our country needs is any more help from your heaven. Hasn’t it done enough damage already?

It is entertaining to see the true feelings percolate up from the republicans here in Utah. It is happening all over the country. The fear of the far right wingers, conservatives and religious-based thinkers.

I believe that it is really exposing a deep seated racism and ignorance. At a minimum it is small-mindedness.

By the way, have any of you McCain supporters read the full story on McCains Keating dealings? How about how he cheated on his devoted wife after she was deformed in a car wreck... then started chasing 'richer skirts?' Cindy and John were married like 5 weeks after his divorce from Carol. Guess that makes Cindy the "first home-wrecker" in the white house if John wins. Go look it up on google of wikipedia.

RE: SOCIALISM | 10:14 a.m. Oct. 15, 2008

What socialism? Where are these mythical socialists that you keep talking about?

Are you afraid that if we house the homeless that they will rise up against us all and take over government?

How about feeding the hungry? Will the once famished take over our local elections and banish the rich from our country?

How about a solution to our country’s health care crisis? Will this mean that enough poor people will keep living, vote Democrat and prevent Republican’s from ever winning an election again?

Is this the tyranny that you are squawking about?

Let me guess, in your book 54% of our national budget being spent on the military is not enough. Yet, there’s a certain irony that the military is a 100% socialistic institution.

The greatest threat of tyranny in this country is not socialistic programs that feed the poor but further erosion of our civil rights, a presidency that can drag an entire country into a non-declared war, and yet another secret government running our military (Like under Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal.)

Let me introduce the President of United States...

Barak Obama!!!

Sorry Guys!!! we will need to take McCain to the Utah Housecare and take Palin to the guys for Greenpeace!!!

What a nice 2009!!!

Who has screwed up the nation in the last 8 years? I would imagine if people really took an honest look at it, up until the last couple of years, the majority of people in the United States are in better shape than they were 8 years ago. There are certainly more millionaires, more homeowners, people are making higher incomes. Don't blame Bush for people buying homes they couldn't afford! That was their own decisions. Bush didn't take down the Twin Towers or run a plane into the Pentagon. Bush was not responsible for hurricane Katrina nor Ike, the California wildfires, or any other natural disaster. Yes, we are in a war, not being fought on our own soil which I'm grateful for, but how many jobs were created or continue because we are in a war? Yes, gas prices have gone up and down, but how many jobs have been created because of the increase? And I don't imagine stockholders or royalties owners are complaining because of an increase.

Look at your own Senators and Representatives and what they have done for the economy, and then make an informed decision as to who is best to lead us.

Amen | 11:47 a.m. Oct. 15, 2008
Beware... | 9:27 a.m. Oct. 15, 2008

What are you talking about? You’re predicting something that is completely absurd while ignoring the reality of what we’re all facing right now.

The “enlightened” voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and look at what we got! America is VERY VERY sorry that this corrupt man, chosen by God’s people, ever got into office.

Anyone who is foolish enough to trust the theists AGAIN and believe their inspired methods of choosing a president would have to be the epitome of gullibility. Take off the blinders of religion, dogma and superstition and see the very real problems in our country RIGHT NOW! Put aside your fear mongering of some future evil and let’s work together to solve the very real evils of a corrupt government TODAY!

Tonight's debate will be the defining moment and a farewell to the GOP for a decade or so.

Like it or not, the incumbent party always gets blamed for the bad economy. It's the way politics is.

If McCain starts in with the Rush O'Hannity-type attacks calling Obama a liberal or terrorist - that should certainly seal his doom.

America (the REAL America - not the fascist one) is sick to [bleeping] death of this sort of drive-by politics and in my opinion, has already spoken.